Simple question. Do you think downvoting and upvoting should be anonymous on Namepros, yes or no?
This type of thing is a problem.The sheer possibility that posting “Greetings!” when someone introduces themselves would go against an unspoken forum etiquette is rather ridiculous. Especially considering there are far more concerning things that are stated here on the regular.
Well, you have access to data that I don't.Not as much as I expected. However, if we instead look at the people giving the downvotes (rather than receiving them), then we see that a small percentage of people are responsible for the overwhelming majority of downvotes. They’re relatively indiscriminate in who they downvote.
I’m not in favor of removing downvotes: I think that’s useful feedback, and there’s nothing wrong with posting sometime controversial. We don’t have to weight downvotes as heavily as upvotes; that’s a knob we can tune until we hit a sweet spot.
You are missing the point LCDSometimes, though, it's best to not take the downvotes too personally.
That one person is still a human with feelings. Part of the job of a moderation team--or any oversight body--is to protect the minority from the majority. Several people have expressed concern about their votes suddenly becoming public, and those concerns are both understandable and justified, regardless of what we've stated our plans are.
This type of thing is a problem.
Why would anyone get downvotes for that comment?
There are a lot of things @QUAD DOMAINS posts that I don't really agree with, but is leads to a discussion.
Just leaving downvotes, especially for a "Greetings" comment, is unreasonable.
Brad
Meanwhile, you got -3 for discussing downvotes.There a thousands of examples showing how ridiculous this tool is
This guy informed the community about an email he received from DAN re their connection with Afternic.
He didn't say anything, he just posted the email.
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"Well, I don't like Dan's integration within Afternic, so I'll give a thumb down.
Click.
There you go."
These 4 morons didn't realise that downvoting a posting you are penalising its poster.
Through this dysfunctional tool this community has penalised someone who did us a favour
Meanwhile, you got -3 for discussing downvotes.
The current system has issues.
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This type of thing is a problem.
Why would anyone get downvotes for that comment?
There are a lot of things @QUAD DOMAINS posts that I don't really agree with, but is leads to a discussion.
Just leaving downvotes, especially for a "Greetings" comment, is unreasonable.
Brad
Meanwhile, you got -3 for discussing downvotes.
The current system has issues.
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No.Am I right that if you can leave 5 upvotes, you can also leave 5 downvotes?
That's how it works. You can't downvote as much as you can upvote.Why not make it so you can leave less downvotes, or make it so they just count for less.
No.
That's how it works. You can't downvote as much as you can upvote.
There should be an account penalty issued for being a habitual downvoter. If they (NamePros) aren’t going to rid the platform of the downvote, they should at least equally distribute the negative impact. (Ex: For every 5 threads you downvote, you receive a negative profile point.) After receiving so many negative profile points, you receive a bright red habitual downvoter badge on your profile. That ought to discourage habitual downvoting behavior.
Thoughts?
Most people who feel hurt by their impact score going down are also going to feel hurt by downvotes.And downvoting trolls disappear because where there is no chance of hurting people there is no fun.
How about that
Why not just get rid of the ability to upvote and downvote in their own right? Then the post score can only be affected by quick replies which aren't anonymous.Here's an idea:
We would still be aiming to improve the post quality system further as other team members have described elsewhere, but this would be easy to implement and would likely hold us over. It should also help with the issue of newbies being downvoted into oblivion, since it won't be possible to do that anonymously anymore.
- Remove the ability to downvote a post below 0 points. It will still be possible to downvote to the 0-point mark.
- Negative quick replies (e.g., "Dislike") will still be able to decrease the points below zero, but quick replies aren't anonymous.
Thoughts?
Other staff members who are more familiar with the plans have already commented on that, but the voting system is necessary for features we plan to implement down the road. It also offers a level of granularity that the quick reply system lacks. While we aren't currently considering removing votes, we're certainly open to changing their behavior.Why not just get rid of the ability to upvote and downvote in their own right? Then the post score can only be affected by quick replies which aren't anonymous.
It had other issues, especially on the technical side. The current system offers a lot more flexibility: we can prevent people from gaming the system with voting rings, for example. We can also weight votes differently based on who they're coming from, which forum the content is in, and so on.This begs another question. Can't you simply put the old reputation system back into use? The system without the + and - options. It just worked.
Here's an idea:
We would still be aiming to improve the post quality system further as other team members have described elsewhere, but this would be easy to implement and would likely hold us over. It should also help with the issue of newbies being downvoted into oblivion, since it won't be possible to do that anonymously anymore.
- Remove the ability to downvote a post below 0 points. It will still be possible to downvote to the 0-point mark.
- Negative quick replies (e.g., "Dislike") will still be able to decrease the points below zero, but quick replies aren't anonymous.
Thoughts?
Are you saying no to the idea or no to Bravo’s response?
What are the features you plan to implement that the current points/votes system will enable?Other staff members who are more familiar with the plans have already commented on that, but the voting system is necessary for features we plan to implement down the road. It also offers a level of granularity that the quick reply system lacks. While we aren't currently considering removing votes, we're certainly open to changing their behavior.
It had other issues, especially on the technical side. The current system offers a lot more flexibility: we can prevent people from gaming the system with voting rings, for example. We can also weight votes differently based on who they're coming from, which forum the content is in, and so on.
The long term goal remains to deanonymize all votes and use them as a way to let the community self-moderate, to an extent. However, a lot of tinkering needs to be done to get there--it's important that we avoid creating an environment in which a bunch of NamePros insiders scare away everyone else.
Here's an idea:
- Remove the ability to downvote a post below 0 points. It will still be possible to downvote to the 0-point mark.
- Negative quick replies (e.g., "Dislike") will still be able to decrease the points below zero, but quick replies aren't anonymous.
Are you saying no to the idea or no to Bravo’s response?
Not agreeing with someone is fine but at least users would be able to see who downvotes but can't be arsed or have the respect to outline why.
Dislikes aren't anonymous. You can view all the dislikes on a post.
I think @kor is confusing dislikes with downvotes so you are both right really.Are you dumb or you just trying to be a shitty troll?!
We're won't be removing them, but we would like to solve the anonymity issue.The downvotes are anonymous and trolls wet dream. The sooner they're removed the better.
While it is not an ultimate solution to the problem, I view it as better than nothing in the short term.Here's an idea:
We would still be aiming to improve the post quality system further as other team members have described elsewhere, but this would be easy to implement and would likely hold us over. It should also help with the issue of newbies being downvoted into oblivion, since it won't be possible to do that anonymously anymore.
- Remove the ability to downvote a post below 0 points. It will still be possible to downvote to the 0-point mark.
- Negative quick replies (e.g., "Dislike") will still be able to decrease the points below zero, but quick replies aren't anonymous.
Thoughts?